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Daesu · Jan 20, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

- I've NO PLANS about GW2 yet. This doesn't mean I have NO INTENTION to get it if it ever gets released. I just want to see it first. So far, infos have been so scarce I hardly can make up my mind about it.

Mark my words, we will all look back on this thread one day, after GW2 beta, and realize how impatient and childish people are.

This is planned to be a stable beta, very close to the release date, unlike GW1.

SerenitySilverstar · Jan 20, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Oh for Flying Spaghetti Monster's sake, stop feeding the trolls!

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if you guys are tired of people who QQ all the time about anet for not releasing any info about the game then please close your browser and don't visit this forum for 10 years and I promise you that you will feel alot better

Oh yes, and make all the trolls left over feel so much more superior about themselves that they take this sense of entitlement into the rest of their lives. Why should we be chased out by you? We're just as "entitled" to our opinion as you are. Grow up and learn to debate properly.

Shemsu Anpw · Jan 20, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

If I Remember correctly When GWEN was announced it was a suprise and came out in something like 7 mos. or so after the statement. Anet it seems prefers the short wait and hype as opposed to lengthly times where more and more stuff is needed to keep people interested after the anouncement. I think some patience is needed. I would like some more information on it like every one else.

And while NCsoft is the publisher Arena net makes their game. Guildwars was/is a success cause of their bussiness model not inspite of theirs. Many people don't feel like a monthly payment for a game they have already bought agrees with their belief. I personally don't believe in continuing to pay for a game I already bought. Unfortunately this will keep me from a number of cool games: Stargate Worlds, Startrek, and Aion will all be subscription based. GW2 will still be popular because of its business model whenever it is put out. Esprecially how bad some games have been received of late Rohan: Bloodfued, Age of Conan (heard there are many issues), and Tabula Rasa (outright closed).

Also their goal to make GW runable on moderate or so hardware systems is a big draw. Many people don't want to upgrade their computer every couple months just to play the New and Shiney. It is yet another thing that works for them.

My point is whether you QQ about Vaporware, or threaten to leave, or casue "you" are not being addressed for your specific issuses or greviences(sp?). You don't make the world go around that way.

Anet has done something right. Trust that they have an idea about what they are doing.

Whether you are a Fanboy or a Greifboy. It's still about choice, what you believe, but is it REALLY worth all the arguing... and greifing. Its not worth the effort to get upset about it, let it go.

OMMMMMMmmm :-)

Abedeus · Jan 20, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Mark my words, we will all look back on this thread one day, after GW2 beta, and realize how impatient and childish people are.

This is planned to be a stable beta, very close to the release date, unlike GW1.

This quote is so filled with fanboyism it's almost possible to cut it with a knife and make sandwiches with it.

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Oh for Flying Spaghetti Monster's sake, stop feeding the trolls!

Rule nr 1 of the Internet - You are special, therefore you are always right.

Rule nr 2 of the Internet - If someone has a different opinion than you, call him a troll and tell him to grow up, even if he's older and more experience than you.

Martin Firestorm · Jan 20, 2009, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Oh yes, and make all the trolls left over feel so much more superior about themselves that they take this sense of entitlement into the rest of their lives. Why should we be chased out by you? We're just as "entitled" to our opinion as you are. Grow up and learn to debate properly.

Troll fight!!!

Rocky Raccoon · Jan 20, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

- I've NO PLANS about GW2 yet. This doesn't mean I have NO INTENTION to get it if it ever gets released. I just want to see it first. So far, infos have been so scarce I hardly can make up my mind about it.

I quote you, "BTW, I play GW1 everyday, I still enjoy it very much and I've never planned to buy GW2 anyway, so I'm none of the above.

Fril Estelin · Jan 20, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I'll also be interested to see what happens when GW2 info is released. I think the vaporware-people will feel happy that there's info and the game is coming, because quite a few of them actually care about GW (while others are just raging). But also, maybe, just a tiny little bit ambarassed about this opinion they carried during all these arguments here.

And if they're right, and GW2 will never see the light of day, we'll all be sad and move on to new (e-)shores. But my personal opinion is that it's nearly impossible, Anet devs are way too talented, GW1 has been and continues to a certain extent to be such a nice game, there's going to be a GW2. I've read so many "cues" so far, that I can almost feel there's a "big tide" coming (Wow, D3, SC2 are not important to me, I won't have the time to be on different gaming fronts). We'll have to see what this original idea of emmergent complexity is and the awesomeness of improving GW1 graphics.

I just had a thought (people probably already mentioned this here): what if this lockdown on GW2 info is actually a weapon that NCsoft is keeping safe, just in case they need it at a later point? Jeff Strain and Patrick Wyatt are in NCwest now. Or is it to actually protect it from the whims of the MMO market which is going to get a lot of new blood in the coming year+? GW2 has a tremendous potential given the uniqueness of GW1, even if it's in a niche market. Maybe they know they're not going to waste it against any of their competitor's coming games, and they have a belief that most of the playerbase will be back to try it, despite the Guru-gloom-and-doom on GW2.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Rule nr 1 of the Internet - You are special, therefore you are always right.

Rule nr 2 of the Internet - If someone has a different opinion than you, call him a troll and tell him to grow up, even if he's older and more experience than you.

Come on, please, update your Internet to version 2.0, the old one was broken and they decided to create a new one. Age doesn't matter, you can meet quite a few of very bright, talented and smart kids in GW1. Experience without being wise brings little benefit.

Gigashadow · Jan 20, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Given GW1 is basically abandoned and on maintenance-only at this point, then if you think GW2 is vaporware, what do you get out of coming to these forums, as opposed to finding another game to play?

Abedeus · Jan 20, 2009, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Given GW1 is basically abandoned and on maintenance-only at this point, then if you think GW2 is vaporware, what do you get out of coming to these forums, as opposed to finding another game to play?

This isn't a GW2 website.

Besides, this is a FORUM of Guild Wars. So I can discuss about any game of the series, either existing or not.

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I'll also be interested to see what happens when GW2 info is released. I think the vaporware-people will feel happy that there's info and the game is coming, because quite a few of them actually care about GW (while others are just raging). But also, maybe, just a tiny little bit ambarassed about this opinion they carried during all these arguments here.

I wouldn't be here if I didn't care about the game. Because playing a game for over 36 months without caring about it is called idiocity.

SerenitySilverstar · Jan 20, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Rule nr 2 of the Internet - If someone has a different opinion than you, call him a troll and tell him to grow up, even if he's older and more experience than you.

Biological age is no indication of emotional intelligence or maturity.

If I see someone being an arse, I call arse.

Fril Estelin · Jan 20, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Because playing a game for over 36 months without caring about it is called idiocity.

And idiots don't exist maybe?

Daesu · Jan 20, 2009, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by GW2FAQ

Although we publically alpha- and beta-tested the original Guild Wars while it was still in early development, with Guild Wars 2 we will commence beta testing closer to the game's release. With that in mind, we will not start beta testing in 2008 as we had originally planned.

Guild Wars 2 is a very large and ambitious game, and Guild Wars players rightfully have very high expectations of its quality. We want players to be absolutely blown away by the game the first time they experience it.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

This quote is so filled with fanboyism it's almost possible to cut it with a knife and make sandwiches with it.

Why dont you go read the GW2 FAQ then if you dont believe me?

Oh that's right, you dont believe anything ANet says, so why ask for more information. Go QQ somemore...

Shadowmoon · Jan 20, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

I think alot of people love gw1, and I'm really wondering if the goose really is going to lay the another golden or not. Hellgate had talent, and looked what happened to it. Personally i don't plan on buying gw2 because i don't know if i will enjoy the game or not. There alot of things that gw didn't have that i enjoyed them missing like: kill stealing, spawn camping, spawn training, gear dependent character development, and mudflation.
Also those saying Aion may be a competitor to gw2, well I believe they may not be because Aion is a korean MMO, which typically do not do well in western markets, and its a p2p. GW2 is in theory a western MMO, and is f2p. I'd think D3 would be closest because i assume its multilayer going to be f2p unless they change battle.net.

Gigashadow · Jan 20, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

There are actually two meanings of vaporware; its actual definition, and its (much more common) colloquial use on internet forums. Its actual definition means no visible signs of progress, whereas its colloquial use is "It's a hoax/this game is NEVER coming out". What some people are trying to do is get meaning #1 to stick, knowing that almost everyone else actually uses meaning #2 and will treat it as the latter.

Gigashadow · Jan 20, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Old Man Of Ascalon

If Aion is released in March and is successful, it will be recieving strong sales through Christmas '09. ANET does not want one of their own major products to compete against another one of their major projects. That's just plain old bad business.

Also, rumor has it that Diablo 3 is slated to be released later this year, around September or November. This game is going to be huge there is no debating that and trying to compete head to head with a game that has a decade+ worth of legacy and rabid fans to boot would also not be very intelligent.

Think of it like this. When ANET is deciding when to release it I guarentee you they put themselves in the shoes of a customer at a game store. This customer is standing in front of a rack that has 4 games on it, WoW, Aion, Diablo3, and GW2. Which game does the customer buy? At this point they only have a 1/2 chance that the game this customer will chose will be a NCSoft game and this poses another problem. Unless the customer buys both games, they are only making half of the money they have spent to produce both games and effectively splits the customer one of two ways, a.k.a competing against themselves. Now take GW2 off the shelf. There is a much higher percentage that Aion will be chosen, GW2 is no longer an alternative and WoW is an old game. They now have a 50% chance based on odds alone that this person will purchase a NCSoft product.

Now, if they wait until say....march of 2010 and release it, at this point the rush of buyers for Aion will have slowed way down since it is now a year old and Diablo 3 will have been bought by the vast majority of people who wanted it within the first 4 or 5 months, because it is just an instant classic like that, it's going to sell like crazy for a few months and then taper off drastically because it cannot sustain the initial sales rush due to lowering demand. This is the perfect time to release GW2. Customers are going to have a choice between the one year old Aion, the immensly popular but increasingly aging WoW, Diablo 3 (which if they are into RPG's they probably already have) or GW2. GW2 would be an obvious choice and furthermore it won't cut their sales in half between Aion and GW2.

Expect it between March and August 2010.

There's always good stuff coming out though. This year we have Aion, Starcraft 2, Diablo (not to mention even minor things such as WoW's Ulduar patch to drag people back into that game; count on them to release that exactly when Aion comes out). Next year there'll be other games/expansions to worry about. I really can't see ArenaNet just sitting on a GW2 that was ready to go, until March-August 2010 just because of other things that might come out. They could certainly use some cash flow.

I think NCSoft has been pushing ArenaNet to release something near the end of 2009, even though ArenaNet would much rather release it in 2010 as originally planned. That is probably why they responded in their earnings conference call with "We are looking at a bunch of release dates" and "We hope to have something around holiday 2009" (but no official commitment). My guess is some features have been/are being cut to try to make that date, and they still might not make it anyway.

NCSoft isn't completely stupid though, one of their Aion representatives recently said the reason Aion hasn't been released in NA/EU, and doesn't even have an official release date here yet when it's already been released in Korea, is that they know they have to release something super polished in today's market.

Although ArenaNet has pretty much been left to its own devices, for fear of an Age of Conan/Warhammer style unpolished failure, I'm sure they are getting gently kicked in the behind to be more realistic about getting something out there sooner rather than later.

therangereminem · Jan 20, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

NO MATTER WHAT ILLBE PLAYING AION MORE THEN GUILDWARS 2 SO IDONT CARE WHAT HAPPENS WITH GUILDWARS!!!!!

yay caps ftl lol serious i barly play guildwras now as it is playing atlantica atm more, waiting no aion to come out later this year

seut · Jan 20, 2009, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I'd think D3 would be closest because i assume its multilayer going to be f2p unless they change battle.net.

As i heard Basic Battle.net 2.0 functionality will remain free (possibly add supported), but there might be options to pay for advanced functionality. But it's too early to judge it, since Blizzard keeps awfully quiet about it. In the end it's just vaporware.

Nodakim · Jan 20, 2009, 10:56 PM // 22:56

WARHAMMER failure?
Funny

Lexar · Jan 20, 2009, 11:06 PM // 23:06

I wonder who does the marketing for GW2. Is it Anet, or is it NCsoft?

Whichever it is, saying they're going for the silent approach and then releasing a finished product could mean that they're saying in fancy words that they're cutting costs and skipping on a marketing campaign.

Not impossible. Official statements by developers often, if not always, have a spin to it to make things sound positive. I'm not saying everything they say is worthless, far from it, but it's not a bad thing to keep in the back of your mind.

StormDragonZ · Jan 20, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

If they weren't working on GW2(assuming the vaporware situation), what do you think they have been doing?

That's what I've been wondering...